After a comment I received from “Well Wisher” I feel it makes great sense to publish the comments posted on this article as a separate post.
This is done purely in the spirit of honouring the freshness and diversity of thoughts expressed by readers who care to share their point of views candidly. I highly appreciate that.
An eventuality of this post would be to ensure ease of access to alternative and interesting thoughts expressed by readers of the blog, on the subject in question.
Here they go…
Vinay : June 20, 2009 at 9:09 PM
Vinay,
I agree with on a few points but not all. Like the use of deterrent is a very tangible solution. The last one however seems a tad over board for me.
But I am afraid the post failed in conveying the idea behind the article.
Do read it again. May be it might make more sense
Vinay: June 20, 2009 at 9:59 PM
I did get the point – patient listening is a great way to tell that ” I will consider you thoughts as well and let us talk and share ideas before we decide on the matter at hand”. Great – this should be done. Probably you missed the point that I wanted to convey! If you feel appropriate, read my comments again. My comments were meant to augment what you had already mentioned in your post. I wanted to stress on the situations which are very rare. Typically when people are put in to such a situation, they tend to choke; they don’t want to think about it and pray that god never ever again puts them in such a situation “. Yes… in the environment in which we all are, it might look grossly (not a tad) over board, but doing the right thing pays off later. To do the last mentioned thing, you need to be REALLY on top of what you are discussing; a newbie should refrain from taking the last step that I mentioned.
Suresh S : June 21, 2009 at 11:32 AM
@ Vinay,
It rarely happens that even the person presiding over the meeting dares to ask someone in the meeting to leave the room.
For me it is outright an ill mannered behavior. I would rather choose to talk to that person in private and make him/her understand.
I remember once being a part of such a heated discussion where people really went on and on about things that were not a part of the actual discussion. But then it so happened that the meeting really brought some things which otherwise wouldn’t have come out. What was good about it was that even amidst such heated discussion people fortunately allowed others to speak. But this seldom happens very often.
I was referring to a more frequent discussion where people just remain “silent” and not “listen”. This is what beats the whole purpose of being in a meeting. It has got to do more with one’s habit. My article has got more to do with educating oneself and not others about the advantages of listening.
I am sure, if one listens more, people will listen to him/her when he/she speaks! Give it a shot.
Vinay: June 21, 2009 at 12:35 PM
I fail to understand what you meant by “My article has got more to do with educating oneself and not others about the advantages of listening” – it did not make any sense to me.
At office, when ever I screwed up, I was told to mend my ways, bluntly. Though it was embarrassing to start with, it drives home the point that every body is prone to do mistakes – accept it and correct it. I realize that this statement is easier said than done. Since I have done it, I KNOW it can be done and strongly feel that it should be done.
I invariably end up in at least a bunch of meetings daily (official and unofficial) and need to deal with people who exhibit all the features listed in my first comment. So, I know what I am up to when I am in a meeting; If I err, I am MADE TO REALIZE what the mistake so that I do not repeat it.
I am not encouraging people to be rude – I want them to REALIZE that things can get bad – what you could do in such a situation. I am ok with it if you do not agree; at the end of the day it is a personal opinion and opinions tend to be different.
If you want me to STOP putting any more content similar to this in the future, you have multiple options – publish comments after reviewing, or, let me know explicitly to STOP putting comments on your posts – I would be happy to oblige.
M G Harish : June 28, 2009 at 2:30 AM
ಮಂತ್ರಕ್ಕಿಂತ ಉಗುಳೇ ಜಾಸ್ತಿ!
@ Vinay,
I am sorry if my comments sounded offending. You are most welcome to share your thoughts any time.
@ Harish,
“To see meanness even amidst greatness, you need to be mean enough. To see greatness even amidst meanness, you need to great enough.”
Amen
categories do you fall into -
1. I-think-I-know-it-all-types
2. I-need-to-speak-something-[or anything]-types
??
Namitha,
I- think – types
I am not very good in doing postmortems,nor have any fair idea of how it is done,being an avid reader of all that makes sense to me I like to express my viewpoint on the huge drama that has taken place here.
I feel both Vinay and Suri have a candid view on what they want to convey and have immaculately conveyed in their own ways,though for the world it seems that both of them have taken a differential stand on the same point,I feel both the views are avowed but are subjective to the septs who have gathered at a place to do that talking !
Suri describes the mouthing etiquette and how to gain from any give-and-takes,Vinay is more vexed on keeping the discussion uncluttered and non extraneous,he feels its ok to go a step forward and take the control (though one is not authorized to do so)to make the discussion sensible and save everyone’s time. – perfect…
There is nothing to debate here as both stand on a different intellectual planes and talking two different things that technically to me are non conflicting in itself.
I feel the blogger who created this blog should merge the comments to his original portion and republish the same which makes it totally a bliss for the reader like me.
Any Comments Welcome.
Vinay in this second comment as per me is trying to find solutions to his day to day nonprudent encounters that he might have had at office or anywhere else on any rough day which doesnt connect the comment to the theme of the original article,though in a way makes sense in itself.
It mainly addresses his very own thoughts that are lingering and unanswered in the subconcious mind of the commentator rather than connect with the course of the article.
Here it makes sense for the original author not to publish such comment but politely publish the same as another article with a subject “Some interesting politically correct non germane Comments”
that would do justice to both the commentatorand the author
P.S. Feel free to comment